Dr Margit Muller - NLP & Falconry

Jay: 00:00:30

/Sorry, I'm not used to that. I didn't know it was gonna yell at me. Yep. It's fine. Zoom. I've gotten so used to Riverside, like I'm just sitting here wondering in the background if I have audio actually recording or is this just gonna be one of those that I give up to the Gods

Gary: 00:00:48

Holy shit, that's, Can I record it to be safed on this side?

Jay: 00:00:51

It's gonna be, It's not gonna matter because we've got her too. Unless you want to hear a conversation between you and I without a third. That could be funny. It could be like dude, what are they called? Madlibs, where you just insert what you think the third party said.

Gary: 00:01:08

Yeah, have some fun with that. Might have a million questions about Falcons though that you're not gonna be able to answer. Exactly.

Jay: 00:01:17

We actually do have a third person today, Doctor Margit. My name is Jay. Welcome to the Tragedy Academy, a show created to bridge societal divides in a judgment free zone using candor and humor. Gary, what's going on my man?

Gary: 00:01:30

How you doing?

Jay: 00:01:31

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Gary: 00:01:35

Oh yeah.

Jay: 00:01:35

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Gary: 00:01:51

Yeah, I can't breathe, but it looks really good.

Jay: 00:01:55

Thank you so much Dr. Margit for joining us. Dr. Margit is a Master life Coach, professional, certified coach, an NLP master. Definitely wanna ask about that today. Certified mindfulness practitioner. Veterinarian and speaker, and an award winning author and something really cool. The executive director of Abu Dhabi Falcon Hospital. How you doing today, Dr. Margaret?

Dr. Margit: 00:02:20

Wonderful. Thank you so much for having me. It's an honor.

Jay: 00:02:23

It's an honor to have you. I'm looking forward to

Dr. Margit: 00:02:27

I think it'll be a really great show.

Jay: 00:02:29

Absolutely, Absolutely. And you know, we were looking at all of your stuff earlier and we couldn't stop sending each other links back and forth because you've just got so many cool things going on, different articles. And I want to, I do wanna ask though, the NLP stuck out to me because we have a friend of the Ryan Montis. Do you know him?

Dr. Margit: 00:02:48

I don't know him personally, no.

Jay: 00:02:50

Okay. But you're familiar with him. Is that the same program?

Dr. Margit: 00:02:55

It's pretty similar actually. Yeah. NLP is super cool and a lot of people have some prejudices, regarding NLP, but I think it's something extremely helpful, something that people can really use, and I think people need to be a bit more aware what it really means.

Jay: 00:03:13

Do you want to tell us what it is?

Dr. Margit: 00:03:15

Yes, I'm happy to do so because a lot of people think nlp, it's like a kinda brainwash, you know, like a kinda, you get some ideas planted in your brain and then you have to do it, but it's something completely different actually. And I think the idea of NLP is actually that. You really go back to those self-limiting beliefs that you really go to those things which you cannot really. Yeah., sometimes, which are even in your subconscious mind, and its important that you visit those things and then you can change them through certain techniques that N L P. Teaches you that a coach can help you with. for example, you can change perspectives. Let's say you are in a difficult situation and you're so much absorbed in this situation that you don't see a way out anymore because it's just too much for you. So, for example, n helps you to change the perspective, to detach from the situation, to dissociate a little bit, to become a bit more neutral. And then to look at the situation from the outside, for example.

Jay: 00:04:21

Right. So, I'm sorry, I just want to ask a question slash see if I get an understanding because when I talked to Ryan Montis about this, one of the things that was, uh, super interesting to me is that it utilizes, mindfulness and meditation practice to access that particular part of the mind and show you that these particular feelings that we get from childhood or experiences are actually veils that are created out of fear that you could actually move through. But you are yes, stifled in your everyday life, living in that emotional cyclone. Without realizing that you can actually just step out of it and move on to something different.

Dr. Margit: 00:05:00

Exactly. I wouldn't even call it veils. I would call it even layers that sometimes are so tough. One layer above the other one that it's hard for you to access the one which is most underneath. And you need to remove layer by layer to reach to that place. And that is very important. Cause this is like, as you said, correct, It can be caused by fear, it can be caused by trauma. It can even be caused by a kind of misunderstanding in your childhood. And once you are able to start accessing. Those certain experiences or fear or trauma. Then slowly, slowly, slowly, you can start to overcome them because you can start processing them because you start to become aware of them, and that is essential because this is key. Once you are not able to reach there and to start processing, you cannot overcome it, and an LP can create to help you in this as well as inner dynamic.

Jay: 00:05:54

I love that you said something in particular in that and that it was a misunderstanding in childhood, people forget that it's not necessarily an outside catalyst that can cause this kind of viewpoint that you have on your reality. It can be the simple misunderstanding of a facial expression as to how somebody might feel about you. And the last moment you saw. To create some kind of bizarre reality that you have tied to that person where they actually, in your mind, believe you are a kind of person, you'll create a personality in somebody else's eyes. It can be based on your own interpretation.

Dr. Margit: 00:06:31

Yes, it can be this because you have to think that a child looks at the world in a different way. The whole world revolves around a child. I mean, we as an adult look at it from a different point of view, but as a child, you are the center of the world. You project each single thing on you, on yourself. Mm. Don't understand that sometimes things are different. And for example, I had one client and she had a conversation with her mother when she was only four years old and her mother was suffering from cancer. So her mother told her that she has cancer now. The little girl understood that she herself has cancer. So it was a totally misunderstanding. Oh, because everything around herself, Cause she's child, you know, she, this differentiation. So all her life she actually thought that she has, so went from doctor to doctor. She couldn't sleep at night. She woke because she was, she has cancer. And then I did in dynamic sessions with her, and we did also nlp, but mainly in the dynamics. So we. Back to the subconscious mind, to the conversation that happened when she was the young girl. And then we found out that it was actually this conversation that was misunderstood. She misunderstood it. And once she understood the point that it was her mother's not her own cancer, She was totally relieved. I sent her to a doctor to get a full checkup to be sure that everything is fine. She was a hundred percent okay. And then what she told me after was, You know, it's the first night I can really sleep without having fear that I'm suffering from cancer and it's a relief. And I suffered from this 44 years. So just think about this, the freedom, impact it had. Yes, the freedom. And this new life that she could create because she knew now. It was just a misunderstanding in the conversation. So it, it is amazing what you can do with these kinda tools. It is amazing. Gary, you had a question It looked like,

Gary: 00:08:25

Yeah, I was just processing it I'm 43, so I couldn't imagine like thinking that way my whole life and then all of a sudden, like I was wrong based on one thing when I was four. It's kind of like, I had a, I had a friend that we were friends on Instagram, we texted for a long time, and we had a little bit of an argument recently. It was just off the tone of a text that was, she thought I meant it in a certain way that I, I totally didn't, you know, we finally talked about it yesterday in, I was, you know, actually on the phone and I just explained what I meant. She's like, Oh, I'm so stupid. Like, I totally just thought it was something else and you know, I had this other person do something that it was similar to what I thought that you did. And then, completely, you know, misunderstanding. But she's over there probably thinking, this guy's a jerk, and like he doesn't take me seriously and all this stuff. And I'm like, It's not even what I was talking about. Like, totally a different topic, you know? Yes. So I think it's kinda the same thing.

Jay: 00:09:13

You will layer experiences on that too. You'll have mock misunderstandings with that person trialing it.

Dr. Margit: 00:09:20

Yes.

Jay: 00:09:20

Over and over to get a different outcome.

Dr. Margit: 00:09:22

Yes

Jay: 00:09:23

Until you drive yourself bat shit crazy. And the next time you see 'em, you actually have anxiety for something that never existed in the now. Yes, exactly. So weird. We have a mental illness just being alive.

Dr. Margit: 00:09:36

Yeah, that's true. The point that you mention. So important that just a simple misunderstanding, even in the tone of voice, which you don't mean, but the other person understands it in their own way, can really create such a misunderstanding that it really starts festering in your mind. It starts blocking your mind. It is changing your mindset and it is changing the way how you deal with that person. And from a real great friendship, something really disastrous can come out and that's where we really need to think to step back. And also, Yeah. And that's what we are doing in nlp actually, to associate ourselves from the situation and to look at it from a neutral point of view. When we look at it from a neutral point of view and we try to put ourselves in the position of the other person, then we'll see that, Oh, it's not like this. It's not like how we thought. And then you can really see what's the reality. But a lot of people don't know how to do that.

Jay: 00:10:30

Tough. Yeah. Letting somebody have a key to your meditation room inside your head. That you are allowing them in while you are meditating with the ability to identify those particular areas and talk to you while it's happening. Super weird, but makes complete sense. When you think about the way that the mind works, and I think I described it last week as a cyclone. And it's literally meditation is sitting in the center of it and watching like the cow, the house, the truck or whatever. And I expanded upon it the other day when I was thinking about it. And I imagine that the inside of that is like a snow globe where you're sitting inside that snow globe, but that snow globe, you can actually reach through. You can reach through it, grab things and bring it back in. So you can grab the cow, but the cow might be a experience or a thought about something. And when you pull it inside, suddenly it is now your reality. If you don't grab it, it's not. But the moment you give that life and pull it in, it's now your reality until you let it go and you pick the next thing in that cyclone to grab. I honestly believe that we all have one cyclone and we're just picking thoughts, but that's a whole nother fucking bucket.

Gary: 00:11:51

I have no idea what you're talking about at all. I lost you at like the snow globe part. I was like,

Jay: 00:11:55

Did you catch me, Dr. Margaret?

Dr. Margit: 00:11:57

I love the snow globe part.

Gary: 00:12:02

It's, I was, was with you and then now I'm like's a,

Jay: 00:12:10

it's a protected area inside the cyclone, right? That's all.

Gary: 00:12:16

He, he confuses me often.

Jay: 00:12:18

I love it though. Sometimes I continue

Gary: 00:12:22

halfway through I was like, Oh, I finally got one of these, and I'm like, Nope, nope. I have no idea what's talking about.

Jay: 00:12:27

I added the snow globe to it and f'd him all up.

Gary: 00:12:34

I'll have to study the topic more to have a little more context, think it's, it's hard to like take yourself out of it when you're emotionally attached to something too. It's like when you're in a bad relationship and all your friends tell you it sucks and your girlfriend's terrible and all this, and you're, in it too deep and you don't feel that way, but everyone objectively is seeing, things going wrong and you're so emotionally attached that you can't step back and be like, Wow, that's just going wrong.

Dr. Margit: 00:12:57

But that's exactly the point where mental health coaching and NLP can help you because as you say, So much emotionally attached to the other person that you're not able to look at the whole situation from a neutral point of view. And once you do mental health coaching, you set up your mind in a correct way. Again, you, get out of this very tight emotional attachment. You get out of it and you look at this situation from outside, and once you're able to do that and, you dissociate, then you're able to touch on it in a better way. You see what's really happening, but you cannot see this while you are in the very situation. If you have this emotional attachment, you are not able to see reality. What you think you see in this emotional attachment, but you are not seeing the really reality to say it like that. And once you're able to look at it from outside, you change the perspective, then you'll understand why your friends say it's a toxic relationship.

Gary: 00:13:58

Yeah

Dr. Margit: 00:13:59

Because you see that. The way how, let's say your partner deals with you, It's not in the correct way. It's not in the way how it should be to support each other when you love each other. So, it really helps to look at things from a different point of view, and it helps to really clear your mind because if your mind is too much involved in all of this, you are not able to see how things are in reality.

Gary: 00:14:22

Yeah, that makes sense.

Jay: 00:14:23

You can't trust yourself. Your mind over rationalizes anything. You need that third party in there.

Dr. Margit: 00:14:28

Exactly.

Jay: 00:14:29

And what we don't even realize is our entanglement is so deep. Yes. That we actually have an addiction to the feeling of the fear associated with that particular situation. So much so that we will heighten it to a point where we think that the anxiety attack is something we don't want, but we're actually living in it because that's all we know how to do.

Dr. Margit: 00:14:52

Exactly, and it's also something that support to protect you. I mean, for example, inner dynamics. We are talking about the parts that we have in ourselves. You know, sometimes we say, Oh, a part of me would like to go to the movies, and another part of me would like to sit on the couch just to watch a TV show. So these are parts that are talking to us. And in situations like you mentioned, there might be a. That tries to protect you from, Yeah, From being hurt, from being hurt from the partner. But inside then that's a protector part. But inside you have this vulnerable part, this part that's very close to really you that has been heard before, but doesn't want to be heard again, and it's stuck there. So the patterns of behavior is changing, but you try to protect yourself from pain, from hurt, from, this of feeling also of loneliness because what happens if this relationship breaks down? You have to start new. You have to create a new life for yourself and, And you're so much attached to the partner. Yeah. Also, it might be toxic, but this is what we do in inner dynamics. We try to remove this protector part. To let it understand that you had been hurt and to, Yeah, to remove this burden that is so deep in your subconscious mind that you even don't know that it exists, that it is there. And once you start to realize it is there and you start to access it, then you can start to heal it. And once you start heating it, the pain will go. And that's when my clients say, you know, it's like a burden is falling from my. Because that's what, it's literally, it's a burden that comes off. And once this comes off, those protector parts, they start to relax because now they know that the pain is gone, the hurt is gone, this burden is gone. So they can just help you to create a new life, and that is so essential to live happily.

Jay: 00:16:42

It's like the Wizard of Oz. Once you get a chance to peek behind the curtain, you see what it's actually being created out of.

Dr. Margit: 00:16:48

Yes.

Jay: 00:16:49

It becomes complete and total nonsense. It has to be so liberating as you peel back those layers.

Dr. Margit: 00:16:55

Yeah.

Jay: 00:16:55

And you get to breathe.

Dr. Margit: 00:16:56

Yeah

Jay: 00:16:57

I mean, essentially to me, my anxiety represents itself as like an anvil on my chest, and as I meditated over the last three years, it slowly becomes less and less of a weight. Or it becomes something that I just understand is there but doesn't actually have the ability to kill me. It has no ability. It's just there. And I'm only feeling it because the emotional attachment that I have to whatever the situation is, that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Dr. Margit: 00:17:26

Yes.

Jay: 00:17:27

And I think when you get to lighten that load on somebody and they get a chance to take that deep breath and realize that they've been afraid of the boogie. For so long. It's literally that. That's what's so sad about all of it.

Dr. Margit: 00:17:39

Yes, exactly. And that's so liberating actually, because in the end, once you're able to remove this and those burdens, youre coming back to your real self, your core self, inner self, and this is creating this state of serenity, of kindness. Once you feel this state, then you are able to understand how to go back to it. And that's exactly what you said. This is, this is the state where, yeah, nothing can harm you anymore because things become very clear, become very peaceful, very calm, and meditation helps a lot with this because your mind. Going round and round and round because we had like, our mind is like in a medical round. It never stops. We go from thought to thought to thought, and it's never ending. And a lot of those thoughts are not required because we have worries never move on. But we are not focusing just on the present, on the very now. And that is so important. And that's where mindfulness and, and meditation. Greatly, greatly helps. And I do a meditation, uh, a free meditation session, uh, for people. And, and once I do this meditation with, After this, they say, Oh my God, you know, we did one meditation. The guy said, You know, it's the first time in 34 years that I can hear my heart beaten. Because in the meditation he slowed down so much that he was able to listen to his heartbeat and to himself. And this shows how much we are already out of a naturalist. State of being. Um, that's why it's so important to create this state of peace, of kindness, of serenity. Um, that's where yeah, you dynamics and meditation and mindfulness greatly helps

Jay: 00:19:23

us being able to monitor your autonomic system and using your breath as a metronome. Yeah. And not having to actually attach it to yourself is something that comes with time, but you can't mess it up if you continue to do it. It's bizarre to. I'm not a religious person. I am though of the belief that most people are right, kind of thing, that it's kind of a collective understanding. But faith for me was always something hard for me to get my head to wrap around. And the only time in life that I've ever been able to do that is meditation. And here's how it was. It was the moment that I didn't breathe for myself. I know that sounds weird, but if I tell you to breathe, you will take over. We're so arrogant in our mental illness that we actually believe we can catch our breath. No, it does it on its own. You can stick a bag over your mouth or whatever, but I promise you you're gonna. It's gonna happen, yes, but we take it over. But in meditation, there's a moment where you say, Okay, this one's not gonna come from me. And you step off a cliff and you feel it pull itself back up. And it's hard at first to allow it to continue to do that. But after a little while of, you know, repeating this exercise even. You have faith in the fact that you will breathe while you're focusing on it without doing it yourself. Yes. I don't know if that makes sense to anybody else, but that was the only way that I could rationalize it. Gary, I'm seeing are you in

Gary: 00:21:03

a snow globe While you're doing this,

Jay: 00:21:08

see, but I describe the look that you have on myself all the time as a pig staring at a wrist. Like just come confundled.

Gary: 00:21:16

Yeah. thought I had it again, and then I was, Now we're jumping off cliffs and are we back from the cyclone? I mean, it hurt my brain to get there, but I'm there my merry go rounds going so fast right now. It's,

Jay: 00:21:41

That's an ad. that's a soundbite for the show. Just have you sit there and say that tune in and have you just lay off that entire

Gary: 00:21:49

line. Yeah. I'm like, I, No, it's like working overtime. It's like, you know, got something wrong with your engine and it's really got a crank to turn over, but then once you get going, like, then it's run fine. Yeah.

Jay: 00:22:01

That's what happened. Love it. That's kind of like, uh, push starting a stick.

Gary: 00:22:07

Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. Stick shift car. Yeah,

Jay: 00:22:10

stick shift car. So, well then let's, uh, let's lighten this a little bit. Step away from maybe the mental health for a moment, cuz I need to know about falconry. That is so damn cool. You're a veterinarian and you are a proponent for healing through animals.

Dr. Margit: 00:22:28

Yes, exactly. Um, FNS are very, very unique. I was actually the first female veterinarian, the first female fon doctor here in, in the Middle East, in, in Abu Dhabi, United Arabs. And when I came here 20 years ago, oh my god, you know, the Faunas were not even used to have a hospital there. I mean, it was still, um, very much in the beginning and when I came. They thought a woman is never able to do that job. I mean, of course it was a male dominated, Well, just all the falcons were men. And what's the beauty of it? Most of the Falcons are female because the female falcon is the large one. They have one third larger than the male, so Oh, huge, big, beautiful Falcon. Of course. A female means also, they're more expensive than the MAs. This is like in real life, you know, the ladies are always more expensive, so the

Jay: 00:23:20

men know that it's the fancier car. It's the one with the turbo. It's the weather seeds. It's, it's one step up. I, I get it. I'm, I'm with you. Exactly.

Dr. Margit: 00:23:30

So when I came here, it was really, really difficult. You know, in the beginning, the falconers refused to let me touch their falcons because they thought, Oh my God, she's woman. She has no clue what she's doing. No, no, no. She CanCon. So they brought the falcon, their. Just for a peak examination. So you didn't even have to touch this ficon. You chart took the droppings. You checked it in the microscope. But they came just to see, they

Jay: 00:23:56

brought side falcon. They brought you like a knockoff falcon was one wing,

Gary: 00:24:04

like, like here's a, that's a pigeon. I know what you're talking about. That.

Dr. Margit: 00:24:11

It was

Jay: 00:24:12

tough in the beginning. I love that you stuck with it though. Yeah. You stuck with it and said, Okay, give me your ugly pigeon I'm gonna give it a full examination. now give the, I

Dr. Margit: 00:24:24

said they didn't want do it, but then they had emergencies. So they didn't have another option. Ah, so they had to bring the falcon to me and you know, they were half dying themselves to bring this ficon to me. But then they saw that the Falcons are surviving and this actually started to make the change. But this took around one to two years. It didn't go in a month. It was a long, long, long time. So

Jay: 00:24:45

you didn't do it for them. You didn't do it for them, you did it for the animals. Exactly. I did it for the, You have to. There's, there's

Dr. Margit: 00:24:53

no, to save the picon. I love the picon. You know, and they're just, mind you looking their little black eyes, it's like magic. You know, you just, it's like a virus that's catching you and that never lets you go. So they're really, really amazing. Such magnificent

Jay: 00:25:07

ous. I'm super enamored with it because I had, um, I had a lot of experiences here on of where I live with Red Tail Hawk. They are everywhere here. I've got some that follow me, that scream. They're always around and I've, it's been something that has been on my mind for years and when I watch these falconry videos, So what does a Falcon injury look like? Because they're hunting. That's what they use these for, essentially,

Dr. Margit: 00:25:34

right? Yes, exactly. Because here in the Middle East Falcons have always been used for hunting, never as a sport, but as a necessity to hunt, meet, to let the veterans family survive. So, uh, in the old days when old days is just 50 years ago, actually, when the fons were still beds in the desert, the fcon was essential to hunt the meat that the family could eat. And for this reason, Fons are not regarded as a sports tool here. Like for example, in the US, Fcon are guarded as a part of the family. They live with the, they have their own place in the bedroom, they live next to the side, bring you back

Jay: 00:26:08

food while it's hungry. It literally brings you back food while it's hungry. That's a bond that no other animal will do. My dog won't bring me a burger. My dog

Gary: 00:26:18

eat the burger. That'd be awesome. If you could, I'd be at her house a lot more

Dr. Margit: 00:26:23

You have to go there. But imagine a female ficon is able to hunt and kill a, I mean, that's huge. That's,

Jay: 00:26:30

that's,

Dr. Margit: 00:26:32

that's blowing. Yes, absolutely. That's amazing. It's

Jay: 00:26:37

the wings span of a

Dr. Margit: 00:26:39

falcon one point up to 1.2 or 1.3 meters in the large Falcons, the chi falcons. So it's pretty big

Jay: 00:26:45

six foot.

Dr. Margit: 00:26:46

Now, something like that. Exactly. Wow. And when they're flying, they're able to catch another bird which weighs around, Yeah. Three to six times of their own body weight. They can hunt and kill it in the air and fly away with it. Just imagine you carry one term body weight. I can't even, but it shows how strong, helpful. But females are, females not the.

Jay: 00:27:10

The women are always stronger. I do and I'm mad if I'm in the animal kingdom with wings and somebody else with wings. Yes. Knocks me outta the sky. I'm pitch flying around. Everything's going on the ground, don't I'm That's cannibalism, right? That's like a chicken. The kfc, jerk

Gary: 00:27:37

FC doesn't actually have chicken.

Dr. Margit: 00:27:40

No, they're absolutely, absolutely stunning. Absolutely amazing. But because, and that's where we come back to what you asked. They can also fly very fast. They have a speed of around to two or even up to per hour. And then of course they, they're not able to see any obstacle that's between them and. So you can have a tree in between. You can have the owner in between, the own in between and they'll hit, And we have places where comes to me for has a leg, a broken owner, and in and

Jay: 00:28:21

with a goose. Yes. Oh

Gary: 00:28:22

man, Yeah. That would be the felt I got. The one that just kept running into me all. wouldn't

Jay: 00:28:31

a, that Falcon would just continually ram into you over time?

Gary: 00:28:36

Yeah. Just walking out to go to work in the morning and, and they just nails in bag. Like, come on. Like what?

Dr. Margit: 00:28:44

Yes'. Do

Gary: 00:28:49

I almost, uh, died at, when the first time I visited him, there was a, what is a Sandhill crane like in the road? Three feet tall and just walking, came around the corner and just almost hit it. And I didn't, Of course I didn't wanna hit it, so I swerve and I'm like, Oh, this thing's gonna even fly.

Jay: 00:29:04

We have a ton of them around here. They're protected. And they're like, Yes, three to four feet tall. They bo they mate for life. And when an animal, there's, there's a human bond that takes place. When humans find out that an. We'll mate for life, they go ape shit to protect that animal. They love that animal. They have a bond with it, they need it. It's so weird. But there is some kind of psychological things that says that needs to be protected. Pains,

Dr. Margit: 00:29:36

swans, what kinda, anyways, evens are also for life, but that's the ultimate dream of every. To find a partner for life, and I think that's the reason why we project our own dreams on the enemies and they're able to fulfill, which not of us are not able to do.

Jay: 00:29:53

Yes, exactly. That's it. That's absolutely true. Go ahead, Gary.

Gary: 00:29:58

There's a, a lot of, Have you ever met any of the UFC fighters that have gone over there and done anything with the Falcons? I've seen like Cobe and some of the other famous UFC fighters in Abu Dhabi have had no videos with the Falcons. Have you ever ran into any of them? No. No.

Dr. Margit: 00:30:12

Unfortunately not. No

Gary: 00:30:14

Yeah. Yeah. Cause we, we have fights there a lot in Abu Dhabi and then, I always see videos with the guys, with the big Falcon on their arm, taking photo. Yeah. You know. Yes,

Dr. Margit: 00:30:23

but mean fcon are special because they're the only animals in the world that are allowed to put the passenger cap in of our Arab airplanes, without a transport box. They travel like you and me as a passenger, and it can happen to you when you're here in Abu Dhabi airport or a Dubai airport. That ACON account has the on his arm. Goes into the planes. I love it. And the, I just has the hood on and they just tie them with this little tre, and that's how they go because they're the children of the beds. It's not a bird. They're not considered as Bert. They're so much

Jay: 00:30:51

more, they'd have to be, I mean, that bond is also something that's generational. Yes. It's the same thing that happened with canines. We've spent so much time with them relied on for so long. Yes. That we have literal. Endorphin releases when we touch each other. I can't imagine it's any different with a hawk. After generations of spending time with bloodlines, I would imagine there's family lines that probably keep the same falcons Yes. And read them over and over again. So DNA has memory, I don't care what anybody says. It knows Your past lives are your past relatives. Your lineage. Yes. And I, I feel like that that's gotta be a bond that's like no other.

Dr. Margit: 00:31:35

That bond is amazing. And a lot of people say the Fcon likes the falconer because he's feeding it. But that's not the case because you have this mutual relationship. And we did a test one time because here, you know, the man worth is white dress. This white dress called Kora. So we wanted to know if the really knows the owner or maybe they just know the dress and they just focus. So we took a fcon, we brought some different people in. One was the owner and the fcon could recognize the owner. So it has nothing to do with just feeding or something like that. It's such a strong bond. It is a love. And for example, when a fcon has an emergency and they come to meet two o'clock at night and uh, they need a surgery. The Fcon will wait in the waiting room, even three or four hours, and they might be crying because they're emotionally so much stressed out because the fcon had the accident. So they wait until the Fcon breaks up again, and it shows how strong this emotional bond is and what you said before this end release. It is amazing and that's scientifically proven that when you pet an email, it can be a dog or a cat, or even a icon, even just for three to five. You have a release of endorphins, of dopamine, of oxytocin, which are your happy hormones, your love hormones, your wellbeing hormones. So this means that the animal, no matter which one, helps you even to get in a better state and creates this happiness, this wellbeing, this loving feeling. And this also helps our mental state because this is what, keeps our sanity. This is what keeps our happiness, and this is what keeps us.

Jay: 00:33:11

You could describe this as almost like an energetic scenario where human beings operate at a lower frequency and animals operate at a higher frequency, meaning they have less of the mental illness, they live more in the now. And that when we spend time with those animals and we're placing our hands on 'em and looking at 'em, we're actually taking on the, now we're becoming mindful and we're sharing that moment with the animal. We just don't realize what's happen.

Dr. Margit: 00:33:38

Yes, totally agree with you, because this is what makes the change. And for example, if we look at horses, horses are flight animals. They're very hypervigilant. But a horse can sense your energetic state. It can sense what's going on with you, even if it still meet us away from you. It senses this because it has. Yeah, feeling that it can get your energy and for example, if you have people who have experienced very severe trauma or anxiety and they're not even able to talk about it either with a counselor or with a psychiatrist or with a coach, once they approach a horse. This horse is able to sense where the pain and where the hurt is. So the horse will go to the person and for example, it'll put his head on the heart or on the tummy or wherever, where it can feel, where all this pain is located. And those people who are not able to talk to anybody about their experiences, they're able to open up to the horse. So they start talking to that horse because this horse becomes a kind of confident con a. Way how they can protect these inner feelings, even their fear, their traumatic experiences on, and they're able to start communicating and to opening up, and that's what NS can do for us. It's simply amazing. And once we understand more, and that's why I've written my, my, my award-winning book about pet Your Pill hundred and one inspiration and stories about. Lead you to a happy, healthy, and successful life. Once we understand a pet is not just a dog to go out for a walk or a cat to play with or, a bird to sing with or a horse to ride, it that there are so much more that they can help us to heal and to access this inner feelings that we have the feel and we can start processing it and they can help us to heal mentally and physically. We really can get so much more benefit outta those animals.

Jay: 00:35:32

We don't deserve any more than that, absolutely nothing. We don't deserve much more than that. We deserve an animal at a time because we've proven that we're not capable of interacting with the animal kingdom. It's not that animals are something that we are above. In fact, it's kind of vice versa. Animals don't come to us. They'll go to each other. They'll hang out in groups of different species, but they don't come near the batshit crazy human that keeps trying to like poke it, prod it, eat it, scream at it, you know, Bri it. Yeah.

Gary: 00:36:05

Take it down and tie it

Jay: 00:36:06

up. All don't have anything to do with us

Dr. Margit: 00:36:10

actually. Yeah. It's sad that. How we misunderstand animals actually, and how cruel many people are with animals actually. And this is certainly something that has to change because animals can do so much for us, so much more than we can ever imagine, and they can change our lives to the better. And we just need to let them do it. They need, we just need to let them help us and to look at them from a different point.

Gary: 00:36:33

like violence and stuff goes way down in prisons when they've introduced cats and different animals into the prison. Like it's cut like immediately. Yes.

Dr. Margit: 00:36:41

Yes, exactly. And even if you have people who are suffering from Alzheimer's for example, or Parkinson's or kind of dementia even, they did studies. Even when they chat crickets. And I mean, we talk about. Already, their cognitive function improves and they start climbing down. When they look at the fish tank, imagine and just see the fish swimming in it. They start to relax. They're not, um, pounding around anymore. They start to settle down, to sit down to watch them. So the impact they have is just amazing, As you say, it's relaxing us. It brings us peace. It brings us this serenity just, we let it happen. We need to let it happen.

Jay: 00:37:18

We gotta be grateful for the animals that allow us to.

Dr. Margit: 00:37:21

Actually true. And animals also can sense the state we are in. I mean, for example, I, I remember, um, my mother suffered from schizophrenia and we had a big dog, a huge, big 80 pound

Jay: 00:37:32

And I have a bull, so I I we have a big dog too. Yes,

Dr. Margit: 00:37:36

exactly. Then you know what I'm talking about. Now, this dog always went to her when she was about to drift in her other world. So the dog put her paw in her. To try to motivate her to take her for a walk. So my mother was just about to tip the way, so this dog was not letting go. So she kept on doing, doing, doing until my mother somehow came back, stood up, took her for a walk, and came back to reality. So she really, credits our dog for helping her to overcome those kind of, of schizophrenic episodes. And this shows how sensitive dogs are because this dog didn't know what's happening, but it could. The situation my mother was in, and this happens to other people as well, so that's so amazing when we look at it, and this is nothing about training a dog or giving a command. The dog does it on its own because they can sense the situation and they try to help you to get you out of

Jay: 00:38:29

it. I think it senses all of our mental illness and it mental illness is the moment that we're left from the now. Yes. The moment that we start looking somewhere that doesn't. That's the moment that animals start to intervene. What you're describing to me is when you become involved with that cyclone within the head, that's the moment that an animal will reach out and put it, yes, my dog. My dog will actually make an audible, like small wolf at me if I'm standing somewhere and not doing anything and just thinking she'll do that to break my attention. Brilliant.

Dr. Margit: 00:39:01

It's super weird. Yes. Yeah. But because she can sense it, she can sense the change in you. And this can be a kind of, Yeah, a kind of energetic change, even a kinda chemical change. But they can sense it and she tries to bring you back to the present moment and to bring you back into reality and to get you out that, and they have the ability to do that. And that's the fantastic thing once you hear her making this kinda woo and. You come back and you're out of the situation and like this, she saves you again and again and again.

Jay: 00:39:31

You gotta wonder if it's a preventative situation for them that it's harder to get they're human because I, I think it's vice versa. They own us. We don't own them. and I Do you maybe think that they're trying to stop a larger energetic shift within their environment by keeping the human from going bat shit crazy and causing like a long term, you know, 24 hour mood or long term situation that the dog has to deal with because they're much more susceptible, like you said, to our energy. They feel us when we are not balanced. That's why crazy dogs belong to crazy. That's just how it works. If you've got a neurotic owner, you've got a neurotic dog. Like it just, that's how it works. So maybe they're trying to just control their environment and keep us in check. They

Dr. Margit: 00:40:25

definitely try to keep it to, to it.

Jay: 00:40:33

I, I'm giving my dog a lot of credit cuz she's always looking at me like I've lost my mind. So it's her

Gary: 00:40:40

very perceptive. Probably when you're talking about cyclones in, uh, snow globes, like what are you talking about? No one understands what you're talking about.

Jay: 00:40:47

She does. She looks at me

Gary: 00:40:50

It's like how they, uh, on they get sense earthquakes and hurricanes and all kind of danger, like ahead of time.

Jay: 00:40:55

Exactly. Yes. It smelled cancer. They can spell diabetic changes in insulin scenarios. Yes. That's

Dr. Margit: 00:41:02

insane. Exactly. Yeah. That's nuts. Exactly. They can even smell covid. So they can even smell patients with covid had been covid patients. But it shows how advanced they are actually. we always believe we are the crown of, of everything in this life. But when you look at animals, actually at the, honestly, but I think they're much more advanced than

Dr. Margit_v2_Shorten: 00:41:23

we're,

Jay: 00:41:24

we're crazy just building shit in place while they sit there and look at the heaven they're already sitting in. Yes, exactly.

Gary: 00:41:31

Yeah. We're messing up everything and they're like, We just need some grass like that. We're good. Give us some grass. Like

Dr. Margit: 00:41:37

yeah, just go back to the basics and uh, enjoy the simple life actually, that's the best for everyone.

Jay: 00:41:42

It's almost ironic that we don't recognize it for the mental illness that it is, you know, And it's also super prideful to believe that we're above all of the other creatures doing the exact opposite of us. Exactly. Didn't we learn on Sesame Street? One of these kids is not like the other. Yeah. I was always like, it was basic. It was like, this one's doing this, this one's doing this. Here's the fourth one. Human being a jackass. like it's pretty plain to see. It's,

Gary: 00:42:17

Go ahead. I would just love to like get inside an animal's head. Like what are they thinking when we're just doing this jackass stuff constantly. Like are they sitting there judging us like, or especially cats. Cats are always judging everybody. They just sit there and just judging. I'd say hats don't count. Yeah.

Dr. Margit: 00:42:35

I think they suddenly are wondering sometimes what we are really doing and they're thinking, you know, you guys, you're crazy. One stupid. Are you doing

Jay: 00:42:42

cats will eat your soft parts as soon as you die. I don't care what love of affair you've had with that cat for the last 12 years, the moment you croak, it's gonna be eating your eyeballs and cheeks. Within seconds. It's not gonna care. You are now lunch. like that love is gone. That's slow. Dog will lay there. Mourn wine. How old? Yes. Won't do anything. Cat, you are next on the menu.

Dr. Margit: 00:43:08

Dogs are different than cats. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, that's true. Cats are very independent and they love you for the food, but the dogs, they love you for yourself. That's the beauty of

Jay: 00:43:19

it. Yeah, I, I had a gentleman tell me a joke one time and I'm gonna butcher it, but, um, I was in the barber shop. And he said, if you put your wife and your dog in the trunk of your car and came back 10 minutes later and opened it, which one would be happy to see? the dog. the dog. The dog. The, the will. But there's a lot of profoundness to this statement. Yeah. The dog simply knows it's not in the trunk anymore, does not care. It's still, now wife literally could hold it until the end of time as the thing that broke them down to the point of death. They will never even see light again. Won't get in a car, won't, you can't say the word Buick near 'em. You can't do like all sorts of condoled shit, but in reality they were just in a trunk for 10 minutes.

Gary: 00:44:18

Yeah. Society would judge you worse too. Like that guy put a dog in a trunk. Oh, the wife, I understand. She was probably giving him a hard time. The dog. Wow. I hate that. I hate that guy forever. The wife, like I

Jay: 00:44:30

did it. Did that dog mate. For. Even more

Dr. Margit: 00:44:36

That's if you wanna have a great partner, get a dog. You know, this gonna be the past of our life.

Gary: 00:44:43

We're not gonna give you any crap ever. They might get a little excited and chew up your couch one day, but that's about as bad as gonna get.

Jay: 00:44:49

They're always happy to see you. There's, there's, yes. The forgiveness doesn't even have to exist. Yes, it's, yes. Not even a.

Dr. Margit: 00:44:56

Yes. And even they know when you are coming home, like when I'm traveling, for example. Even, yes, they dunno when I come, but my dog sits at the door from the morning. I'm traveling, I'm reaching in the night and he'll sit there the day not eating, not drinking, not going out for a walk, just waiting, waiting, waiting. Because he knows I'm coming on that day. And that's spectacular cause how he knows the date of my flight and the time of my. But they know it. They had this connection. Yeah. I saw

Jay: 00:45:24

a study on that where they were, they took like a certain amount of people, a certain amount of dog owners, and they sent them out of the home and they monitored the animals. And what they found was the moment that the person made the cognitive decision to return home. The dog's demeanor changed and it started to monitor the entrance for the owner's return. It's crazy. It's so effing weird, like I love it. But it just shows. The thing is we have no clue how much we're capable of. Yes. If we're the most intelligent creature on the planet, imagine the moment that we harnessed mindfulness and started kicking ass. We would be unstoppable if they can feel us from fucking light years away. Yes. Just because we decided to go home. Imagine what we're cap. Exactly.

Gary: 00:46:14

Yeah. We would use that for evil like humans. We use that for like weaponize it where the dog just wants to see you when you get home. That's it thing. Yeah.

Jay: 00:46:23

Yes. The

Dr. Margit: 00:46:23

dog's just happy. It's just how beautiful. It's for us actually to have somebody who knows that we are coming home, who waits for us and who has this instinctive connection. This connection that is so strong, it's such a strong bond that we cannot, we cannot even imagine it. We will not have it with other people even. I mean, how, how are your wife or anybody know when you're coming home? So this is such a strong, and it shows really how, The mind of dogs is really different. How, how, you know, how they're kind of energetic field works in a completely different way. Their sensory is, it's just out of this world and once we start to understand it, then we appreciate them so much more and then we really know what value they

Jay: 00:47:06

have past. Absolutely. I think that's like the best place to draw this to a conclusion. mean, everybody loves hearing about the bond between humans and animals, and I think if the one thing they should take away from this is that, we need to cherish them, spend time with them, and recognize that they're a key to mindfulness that we're not utilizing correctly. I think that it's so fantastic that you advocate not just for a specific animal, but all. that they can be healers for all of us out there, whether it be a falcon or a Guinea pig. you're gonna get a bond with that animal because that animal doesn't think about the past or the future. It's 100% dedicated to you.

Dr. Margit: 00:47:48

Yes. And it loves you as you are without any kind of layers. It just loves the pure real. You, You don't have to pretend anything, You don't have to put on a show. You don't have to put on anything. It's just loves you as you really are. And this is so celebrating for us as well. You, you don't have to pretend something to. You can just be yourself. Authenticity, and that, yeah, that's it. This authentic you and that's what you can be. And that's so beautiful actually. And that's what we should really c cherish and, and appreciate so much more because it gives us this feeling, this, this peace and this this authentic you and, and that's marvelous.

Jay: 00:48:26

We need to learn to love like a dog. Oh. If he could do this love like a dog would change. Believe me, it would. Man. I'm gonna get a T-shirt that says love like a dog. Yes.

Dr. Margit: 00:48:35

Nobody loves you as truthful and as unconditional as a

Jay: 00:48:38

dog. I think that's a great place to end. Dr. Margaret, I can't thank you enough for coming on. I could listen to you for days because you're such a wealth of information and you have such a great energy. You're super happy. I can tell you love what you're doing, which means a lot. That's shows. If you're authentic and you pursue your passions, you will have a happy life, or at least one that feels fulfilling.

Dr. Margit: 00:49:03

Thank you so much. Yes. I think that's the key for everything to, Yeah, to live the passion and to live a happy life, and that's what we should always strive for. And thank you so much for inviting me. I, I really enjoyed this podcast so much. You're really great guys. And it was just have a lovely podcast. Thank you so

Jay: 00:49:17

much. So thank you very much. Gary, you got anything you wanna ask before we wrap up?

Gary: 00:49:22

No. I'd least like you to come back on sometime and, uh, we have so many different things you're doing that I think we just scratched the surface. So I think, you know, anytime you want, come back and we'll have a lot more questions and we'll figure out the snow globe thing. Would you bring a falcon on

Jay: 00:49:38

I want a falcon in a snow globe. Yeah, but

Gary: 00:49:41

that's, a cool idea. I see.

Dr. Margit: 00:49:45

No, I come back because I think the audience can really benefit a lot from these kind of different topics. That's what we all try to do to, to create better lives for everybody

Jay: 00:49:54

and have that's, that's what we're here for. So next time we need to do a live session. Get your laptop or your phone, bring it into the, uh, into the clinic. So we can see a falcon. Wow. Okay. We'll do that That would be super cool. I would love to see

Gary: 00:50:11

That's badass. Yeah. They're so cool.

Jay: 00:50:14

Awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on and remember everybody be cool and keep learning.